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wwI Reference Table

Name                               lenght  weight unloaded         cal.                        magazine
Bergmann Mg 15nA          112 cm      12,9 kg      7.92x57mm Mauser      Belt or round magazine
Hotchkiss Benèt-Merciè     125 cm      15,0 kg           30-06                        30-round rigid strip
Mauser M1915                 115 cm       4,9 kg      7.92x57mm Mauser           20 round
Fedorov Avtomat              105 cm       4,4 kg     6.5x50mmSR Arisaka          25 round
Huot-Ross                        119 cm       5,9 kg       .303 British                       25 round
Farquhar-Hill                    104 cm       6,6 kg       .303 British                       19 round


The Mauser automatic rifle 10/13  received two different names, it was adopted as "Selbstlader-Karabiner Mauser M 1916"
by the "Ballon and Zeppelin Troop" and "Fliegerkarabine 15" by the Germany Air Corps. It was rejected by the
German Army because not suited for a trench war. Having not a pre-extractor
it needed greased rounds to operate correctly, by the way this system led to frequent jam because the dirty trap of
dust and grease. It was superseeded by the Mondragon Automatic Rifle, because it cost three times less, but the last
wasn't as realiable as the Mauser.

In 1918 the Farquhar-Hill automatic rifle was tested on the Western Front, and it was found suitable for the
trench warfare, so 100,000 were officially requested by the British Army, and adopted as “Rifle. .303 inch, Pattern 1918”.
But the war ended before the factory that was to produce them was equipped, so the project was suspended.
This light weapon had the same rate of fire of a Lewis Gun.

The Huot automatic rifle was a canadian project, which provides for the transformation
of the Ross rifle in an automatic rifle. But the war ended before  the
end of the experimental phase, so the project was abandoned.

The Fedorov Avtomat is considered the first assault rifle. It was adopted by the Russian Army in Summer 1916, and
it was produced in little number at the Sestroretsk weapon factory.

The Bergmann Mg 15nA was the air-cooled version of the Bergmann M15 light machine gun. It was issued to the German
troops on the Eastern Front.
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:iconmuhdzul098:
muhdZul098 Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Are these weapons are still used in WW2 or it wasn't at service at?
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AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2017
Oh no, they were very experimental, the Fedorov was used during the Russian civil War, while the other were abandoned.
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muhdZul098 Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I think that the development of the Hout and the Farquhar-Hill should be carry on until the WW2.At least of thousand of those will be produced.
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AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2017
I read that very little Huot were build, while as You say,  but I don't know how many  Farquhar-Hill  were build, but I think that your estime is correct, because they were issued to the British aircraft crew, and it's possible to buy this weapon from auctioneers
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AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2017
I read that very little Huot were build, while as You say,  but I don't know how many  Farquhar-Hill  were build, but I think that your estime is correct, because they were issued to the British aircraft crew, and it's possible to buy this weapon from auctioneers
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manchild70 Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2017
I have not played battlefield for days but I know that they have added more of these weapons to the game after introducing the new DLC, and more.
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AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017
Really?   let me know.....
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manchild70 Featured By Owner Edited Mar 2, 2017
While we still have to wait for the Russian DLC to come out, (so no Fedorov Avtomat as of yet) they have introduced the French soldiers and their perfectly ordinary Lebel rifles. The Chauchat LMG has now been added, the RSC 1817 too, and . . .
also the RibeyRolles which is one odd firearm, I had never evan noticed existed before. There is a European made semiautomatic shotgun that I was disappointed not to see in Battlefield when it first came out, until now to my happy surprise!
More French tank have arrived! I was very happy with the small FT french light tank to begin with, but now they have the Char d' Assault St Chamomd carrying France's legendary 75mm field-howitzer.
They have gone barking mad and introduced the utterly massive Char 2C French Super Heavy Tank to would war one as a behemoth, though the giant tanks were never actually used in the war . . . I think only, around ten of them were actually ever made and did eventually see battle in the second world war.
In game, only one of these moving metallic fortresses is allotted to actively be in game a session at one time.
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manchild70 Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2017
I've learned that the huot rifle, while it was made with a Ross rifle, was not built by the Canadian company, but some one else instead.
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AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017
I didn't know, it has been a concept design, it deserved a future development.
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sleepinthunderstorm Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2017  Hobbyist Writer
I really like the Federov. Actually I find it so appealing, that I use an updated version as the main combat rifle in my sci-fi dieselpunk setting. The Huot is my second favorite, with a lighter drum magazine, and maybe more bullets in it would have been a perfect support weapon.
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AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017
It has a very intriguing design, it's so modern and in the same time so ancient.......
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menapia Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017
read about the Huot, it's a great design "what if?" lighter than some other machineguns it was also many times cheaper to build than most others and easy enough for an infantryman to carry out onto the battle field.  I could definitely imagine great-great-...Uncle Patrick going over the top and giving the Huns hell with one of these
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AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017
I totally agree with you, it was a little weird to see, but it was an excellent and cheap weapon, it has the same fire rate of a Lewis.
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DevineEmperorMeiji Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2017
Nice.
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:iconandreasilva60:
AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2017
Thank you :)
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Volhovsky Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
They're always amaze me. Such a modern design in those years. Fedorov Auto for an example. Just give it a pistol grip and a plastic stock... :)
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AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2016
The ideas were already ripe, lacked resilient  steel and heat treatment.
Probably the charm of the first world war is in this mix of new and old.
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Volhovsky Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I feel the same way, yes. New and old.
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ColonelBSacquet Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2016
Forse glielo già detto, ma le sue illustrazioni meriterrebero di figurare in un libro di Osprey Publishings.
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AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2016
Gentilissimo, grazie di cuore, anche se me l'aveva già detto, fa sempre molto piacere :)
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ColonelBSacquet Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2016
Me dubitevo che l'avevo già detto.

Ma lo dico di nuovo, perchè penso che è vero. :-)
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AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2016
Grazie di tutto, sei davvero molto gentile :)
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:iconmanchild70:
manchild70 Featured By Owner Edited Nov 21, 2016
I still have more grinding to do in
Battlefield 1 if I want to use the Huot Atomatic, but I might not be playing for a while.
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AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2016
Is there the Hout!?  Great!!!!!!!
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:iconmanchild70:
manchild70 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2016
In the multiplayer, they classify the Hout as an LMG and it is equipped with a stabilizing bipod. Players using the support class can get it if they reach level ten by winning game matches while playing as support.
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AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2016
I see, in a sort way it would be a LMG, the creator of this game are very documented.
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Raz-Sukal Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
It's not a very good weapon, and it being a Class Rank 10 unlock is laughable. It got a slight buff in the latest patch, but...so did all of the other LMGs (except for the M1918 BAR, which got a slight accuracy nerf - because DICE). The Huot just doesn't fit anywhere; close range is dominated by, what else, the BAR, and mid-to-long range  is up to the player, but the MG15, while not as accurate as the Lewis, has the ammo capacity to make up for it.
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Black-Valkyr Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
so automatic rifle have been invented since WW1 
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:iconraz-sukal:
Raz-Sukal Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Before WWI, depending on what's being considered an "automatic" (at the time, semi-automatic, or "self-loading", rifles were considered automatic).
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AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2016
Right! The fruit was just ripe :)
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5thdimensionalguy Featured By Owner Edited Nov 13, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
My Favorited automatic weapon is the Hotchkiss Benèt-Merciè because the design for it, it's looked like so science fictional. =)
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AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2016
It had a very odd shape, if you know the japanese light machine guns of ww2, you'll see that they were heirds of this Hotchkiss project  ;)
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KyCabrera Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2016
Gotta love that Huot. Nice job man!
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AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2016
Thank you :)
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UCSPanther Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2016
The French built a semi-auto Battle rifle, the RSC 17, which was more widely issued to their troops.  However, it was plagued with reliability problems and fragile components.  Not very many were built, and many were later converted to straight-pull bolt rifles by sealing off the gas ports, which had proven to be a major weak point.

The main limitations with autoloading rifles at the time was the lack of knowledge on gas systems, weak and complex mechanisms and the relatively poor quality metals that armorers had to work with at the time.  Semi-auto rifles would have to wait until the 1930s, when John Garand was finally able to come up with a design that was sturdy, easy to service, and could work reliably in battlefield conditions.
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AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2016
Of course, it wasn't a straight path, during WW2 German produced two unsatisfactory automatic rifles, the Tokarev wasn't a success too,  they were issued to NCO or used by snipers, Great Britain didn't had an automatic rifle too. 
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UCSPanther Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2016
The Soviet and German autoloaders of WWII had an interesting convergence.  The first German rifle, the G41 (Manufactured by Walther) used a "gas trap" system that vented gas from near the muzzle and directed it back towards the action.  The '41 was notoriously prone to fouling, and redesigned when the Germans captured some SVT 40 rifles.  The Germans incorporated the short-stroke gas system and detachable magazine into a new rifle known as the Kar43.

I would say the SVT 38 and SVT 40 were fairly successful compared to their German counterparts.  About 1.5 million of them were built and they did okay on the front lines, but the cost and difficulty in manufacturing them compared to the Mosin Nagant effectively limited their deployment.
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stopsigndrawer81 Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Nice work on some very rare weapons!
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AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2016
Thank you :)
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Anybronym0ti0n Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2016
Fedorov Avtomat, more underrated than the chauchat
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manchild70 Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2016
Yeah, the Fedorov Avtomat would see use in the Second World War.
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Anybronym0ti0n Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2016
How intensively?
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manchild70 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2016
Not very by any means. The assault rifle was out of production and it used Japanese Arisaka Rifle rounds.

I think the russian troops fighting in Finland had some and I know the Chinese received some of them from the soviets.
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Anybronym0ti0n Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2016
Wait, the Mosin Nagant used the same type of round that the Arisaka used right? I am probably wrong
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manchild70 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2016
The Arisaka used a smaller round then the Moisin. (6.5mm? Could be worng) It was a cutting edge rifle at the time of the Ruoso-Japanese war 1904-1904 and the Russians where still in position of all the captured Arisaka rifles and ammunition that they had ran alway with.
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Anybronym0ti0n Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2016
Understandable why they would use Arisaka rounds then, but unless they could replicate them it would be a problem in the long run, as it came out to be...
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manchild70 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2016
I know that the makers of the prototype automatic rifle needed a round that was less powerful for the blow-back system and it was fortunate thet the Russian government had them on hand at the time.
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AndreaSilva60 Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2016
Yes, true, it was very advanced for the times.
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Anybronym0ti0n Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2016
Yes, but left aside unfortunately, you'd only see another one of its kind 30 years later
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